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This is not even close to true. The Spanish state is mandating that ISPs implement these blocks or face significant penalties, up to and including imprisonment of responsible individuals.

Yes, technically "Spain" is not blocking. ISPs are. It is however the armed agents of "Spain", who will come and violently lock you in a tiny room if you refuse to do as you're told. If you try to resist hard enough, they will simply execute you on the spot.





So this is not even close to true en the first sentence, but it is true in the second paragraph.

As I said, my ISP doesn't do this block. Are they defying the Spain government mandate? Are they facing penalties or prison? This is a private thing that Movistar /O2, mainly, is doing, to protect their football stream. Thes is like saying that the US government forces Disney to enforce tneir IP protection.

Your last paragraph is a shame. Execute people on the spot, what the fuck are you even talking about? Spain don't even punish people torrenting or piracing unless you are profiting from it (e.g. selling pirate streams).


The court orders cover only specific ISPs, if your ISP is not one of those, they are not defying the mandate.

You can see right here https://www.poderjudicial.es/search/AN/openDocument/766326fb...

> Are they defying the Spain government mandate?

Nobody has claimed that this is a government mandate, it isn't. It's a court order, coming from the judiciary. While Americans might consider the judiciary to be a branch of the government, in Spain it is considered entirely separate.

> Execute people on the spot, what the fuck are you even talking about?

The police will absolutely kill you if you try to forcefully resist them when they come to arrest you for violating a court order. This is not unique to Spain, but is more of a universal principle.


You are misunderstanding everything:

1. The ISP ask a judge to ban some IPs, and the judge gives them the permission to do so, because they asked. A judge could ask every ISP to do so, but they don't. But the ISP must request permission to ban, that es the reason the ban is limited to some ISP.

2. It does not come from the judges, it comes from the ISP that request to do it. Some ISP don't care about football, so they don't ask, they don't ban, and they are not mandated nor allowed to ban.

3. Not true, please don't FUD. In Spain is extremely rare to be killed by the police, even resisting, unless you threat them with a gun for example. And there are more cases with guns or knifes that are peacefully defused, than "executions on the spot". I don't know what are your intentions lying like that, but they don't look good.


I assume you can read Spanish, I don't think the link to the court order leaves any room for interpretation.

LIGA NACIONAL DE FÚTBOL PROFESIONAL y TELEFÓNICA AUDIOVISUAL DIGITAL S.L.U filed the lawsuit against Vodafone España S.A.U, Vodafone ONO S.A.U, MASORANGE Orange Espagne S.A.U, DIGI SPAIN TELECOM S.L.U, TELEFÓNICA ESPAÑA S.A.U and TELEFÓNICA MÓVILES ESPAÑA S.A.U.

> A judge could ask every ISP to do so, but they don't

You are getting this wrong. The judge isn't acting on their on initiative here, but because La Liga (together with Movistar+) sued the biggest ISPs in Spain.

They didn't bother suing the smaller ISPs, probably because co-ordinating the blocking with them isn't worth the hassle.

>3. Not true, please don't FUD. In Spain is extremely rare to be killed by the police, even resisting, unless you threat them with a gun for example. And there are more cases with guns or knifes that are peacefully defused, than "executions on the spot". I don't know what are your intentions lying like that, but they don't look good.

You're failing to understand that this is the implicit threat that accompanies most court orders anywhere.

1) If you refuse to comply, you will be locked in a small room for an indefinite period

2) If you continue to actively resist, increasing amounts of force will be used to force your compliance.

3) If you still continue to resist, you will be summarily executed.


Last time I answer you, because at this point you are acting in bad faith:

Telefónica Audiovisual Digital SLU is suing, among others, TELEFÓNICA ESPAÑA S.A.U and TELEFÓNICA MÓVILES ESPAÑA S.A.U.. What do you think is going on there? Come on, you don't even have to be that smart: they are suing themselves to get a judge order that allows them to block the IPs. In fact, some of them are eagerly waiting for the judge permission to click the ban button the next second.

> You are getting this wrong. The judge isn't acting on their on initiative here, but because La Liga (together with Movistar+) sued the biggest ISPs in Spain.

The nerve you have. This is exactly what I was saying from the beginning: the ban is not something that comes from the state or the government. The ban is something that the ISPs are asking for, they would love to be able to do it legally without a judge intervention, but they need to get the OK from a jugde. In fact, Movistar/Telefonica never acknowleged the ban and claim technical difficulties, in fear of losing clients to ISPs that are not so aggresive banning the IPs.

The discussion here was if there are parallelisms between the Iran Internet blackout (state initiated and enforced) and Spain banning some Internet IPs during football matches due to piracy (private companies initiating and enforcing on their users), because some of you were painting Spain as some kind of 1984 state.

Your last part is FUD, and a slippery slope fallacy. There are ways to refuse to comply, for example not banning the IPs and then claiming technical difficulties to do so. In fact, that was what were doing all the ISPs that were requested at first to ban Cloudflare IPs: delay the ban for a couple of hours, the football match ended, and they did nothing claiming it was impossible to comply. No one was locked, forced to comply or summarily (you are not using this word correctly, because it means "without trial") executed. Week after week, they are not issuing the IP banning, and they still safe and sound.




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