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US is regressing on trans rights, abortion, etc. Free speech is under threat with the president “attacking” media institutions. You have daylight murder by federal agents followed by propaganda campaigns to blame the victims themselves or on the Democratic Party to create more political friction.

No one is saying China is perfect in these threads, we’re just saying the US isn’t necessarily better. Two countries can be shitty simultaneously.





Two countries can be shitty but the US hasn’t yet put a million of its citizens in jail because of ethnicity. Maybe going there in the future. That won’t white wash what China is.

The US, with around 4% of world population, has around 25% of the worlds prisoners, vastly higher in total and percentage wise than China.

It would not be higher in total if you included the estimated number of Uyghurs detained in internment camps. Even considering that, there are a couple other factors that don't make the numbers you presented mean much.

One factor is that the U.S. is the 3rd largest by population and will always skew higher in total prisoners than many other countries.

The other factor which explains the relatively high incarceration rate within the country's population is the investment into policing and reporting. We can take a city like Shanghai for example. They had a population size of around ~24m+ in ~2018-2019 [1] but only had 50k cops [2] (I couldn't find citable numbers for today but the data isn't too outdated). New York City, in comparison, has a current current population size of around ~8m [3] with 33k cops [4].

The 2 countries bigger than the U.S., India and China, also historically have had less investment in law enforcement, especially in rural areas [5][6].

[1] https://tjj.sh.gov.cn/tjnj/nj19.htm?d1=2019tjnje/E0201.htm

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Municipal_Public_Secu...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

[4] https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/about-nypd/about-nypd-la...

[5] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3215865/chi...

[6] https://villagesquare.in/rural-crime-and-policing-in-indias-...


> but the US hasn’t yet put a million of its citizens in jail because of ethnicity

Even current events show this to be false, let alone: Jim Crow, Japanese Internment, Native American reservations, etc ...


It has put like 3 million, a quite a lot due to their social class. Disproportionately impacting a minority ethnicity in the process.

Still not making China a good country

I didn't state that, at all.

The point was that the US touts itself as a free country while having many perverse incentives and mechanisms oppressing part of its citizenry. There's a veneer on top of it of individual freedoms compared to a state like China but in reality it can be as brutal against its population as any totalitarian state, it's just that the power to subjugate and oppress isn't centralised and is more diffused through its institutions across history.

It's not too far in history that the US was deploying the National Guard to fire live ammo against protesters, American police has military-grade equipment deployed against their citizens, I think it makes it even harder that the oppressive power isn't centralised since to uproot this there are countless battles to be won for any change to happen. It's institutionalised, any big institution is really hard to change.


No one is arguing that lol. I think you’re missing the point of these comments.



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