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> How does "tracking ICE" _prevent_ the enforcement of the law? Your views on the first amendment suddenly became quite narrow.

Because the whole point of tracking ICE is to help people dodge them. It's absurd that people cry foul when the government goes after people actively opposing the rule of law.





> It's absurd that people cry foul when the government goes after people actively opposing the rule of law.

I expect the vast majority of government abuses in recent history the world over have to at least some degree followed the law according to those carrying out the acts. Thus it is almost to be expected that as a situation escalates those crying foul might occasionally find themselves opposing the rule of law as described by those in power.

To state it plainly, not all "rule of law" is subjectively equal.


> Because the whole point of tracking ICE is to help people dodge them.

Seems completely reasonable given ICE is murdering, arresting, and deporting citizens and legal residents.

The government wronging 1 person to rightfully enforce the law on 10 is unacceptable.


Law enforcement only works when the people have trust in those doing the enforcement.

ICE have lost the trust of a significant portion of the people in Minnesota because they are using unreasonable force, eroding constitutionally protected rights and behaving with impunity.

They are, in reality, just conducting a politically motivated campaign of harassment. If they truly wanted to deport as many people as possible they'd start with border states like Florida and Texas, places with 20x more undocumented immigrants.


Rule of law? Innocent people are being shot.

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> They were at the very least intentionally being a nuisance and in most cases breaking actual laws in the process

Pretti was breaking zero laws. You’d have to do some prosecutorial voodoo to conjure up a misdemeanor.

There is lawbreaking in that videos. But the felony-level stuff is all from folks in uniform. (Which, thankfully, they’ve started wearing.)


> calling them "innocent" is quite dishonest

You're not actually arguing that American citizens shouldn't be able to film the cops are you? That would be pretty un-American.


Being a nuisance is not illegal. In the eyes of the law, someone being a nuisance is, indeed, innocent - and to say so is not dishonest.

So now being a nuisance is justification for summary extrajudicial executions?! If people on HN believe this then we’re toast.

Which law makes it illegal to track ICE? If there isn't a law against it, but you think the government should arrest people for it anyway, then you don't support rule of law.

The obvious retort is "obstruction". Of course it doesn't hold up to scrutiny because courts have consistently held that obstruction has to be a physical act. Simply being nearby, filming or calling them names doesn't count.

Nonsense.

ICE are engaging in violence, warrantless forced entry to homes, at least two shootings that border in murder, they even tried to force entry into an Ecuadorian embassy.

They are detaining citizens at random, relocating them physically and in some cases releasing them; if they don't die in detention due to lack of access to medical care.

If you cannot see how these activities should be observed, documented, protested whilst still standing for professed Amercian values...




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