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> It sounds like Onlyfans is exploiting workers and their own customers.

But this is the basic principle of capitalism. The company exploits workers (in order to obtain a net benefit from their work), and exploits customers (by selling the lowest-quality, most expensive product it can manage to). Companies that don't behave like that get out-competed by companies that do. This dynamic is the root of our economic system, as was very clearly explained by Adam Smith and Karl Marx two centuries ago (in slightly different tones of voice).

The particular case you mention is nothing special. The exact same thing happens for all the products that people buy. This is just the stable state of our (some would say "rotten", some would say "healthy") society.



It’s not exploitation unless the participants in the deal are being coerced. You can’t make a solid case for employees being coerced to work for an exploitative employer outside of company towns or non-functioning labor markets; neither of these apply to the Philippines.

If the chatter thought the job was so bad, they can quit and get a different one. Millions of people make that choice, it is available to them. There is no requirement that they do this work; it is entirely voluntary. The people doing these jobs have determined that it is the best option for them, personally, or they wouldn’t be there.

PS: $2-4/hr is a more than decent wage in the Philippines. Median income there is $2.11/hr, minimum wage is $1.36/hr.


If you don’t work, you die, or at least suffer much worse quality of life, especially in poor countries or countries without a big social safety net.

There is a reason why in many places it’s considered highly unethical to pay people for organ, egg, blood donations, etc (besides just compensating lost wages/travel expenses).


Completely true, but also completely irrelevant to the claim at hand: that sex work specifically is exploiting the sex workers.

The general claim that capitalistic societies exploit workers has famously been made many times before.


> unless the participants in the deal are being coerced.

Here's the nice thing about it: they are! If they don't work (for any of the equally exploitative companies in their country) they die.


Maybe you should take it up with your deity of choice. Capitalism didn't make humans need to eat to survive. Or perhaps you should try to bring back slavery, to make others work so you can eat without doing any work yourself. I admit it's an attractive proposition, but I'm not too fond of the impact on others since I'm a bit of a softie


They are being coerced to participate in the capitalist system, maybe. Not to be a “chatter”.

No argument against protections, though.


And yet lots of people don't work for companies and still manage not to die. I wonder how they do it? A mystery, I guess.


Yes, everyone should become a one-person company!


The requirement is that they not starve, not be made homeless, and not be forced into even less appealing and/or more dangerous work.

The coercion comes from the very limited choices they have to avoid that.


The sex workers aren't legally speaking staff. It's a platform that takes a cut like all the app stores.


Sex workers often work for onlyfans agencies, that organise their content, hire people to chat for them, etc.


"Onlyfans agencies" have no business relationship with Onlyfans. They are social media management agencies that include Onlyfans as one of the platforms they "manage" their "clients" content on; their business relationship is with the creators who are the account owners, not with Onlyfans. Their existence, even if their clients effectively work for them rather than the reverse which is nominally the case, does not make the creators employees of Onlyfans, even functionally.


The problem with Marxian exploitation is that a better system can provide you with more luxuries beyond basic needs.

If you're buying a fancy car and capitalism makes you pay 50% more for the car, calling it exploitation is silly when the communist part of Germany only offers a waiting list for a Trabant. You can't complain about being exploited over luxuries.

This leaves just housing, food, energy, education and healthcare. Other than energy, those things suck in the US, but they are very reasonably priced in Germany.

Marxian exploitation is also incompatible with economic equilibrium, which means that a better solution than communism is to introduce equilibrium into our economies and not just declare equilibrium to be automatic.


Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it is the reverse.


So what you are saying is that, under communism, women exploit women and men bear the children?

I know Projet de communauté philosophe is utopian, but I don't think that is the story it tells. Maybe something got lost in translation?


Someone upvoted you for tripping on a joke this hard? Weird.


Nobody upvoted me. That goes without saying, no? Why would anyone take time out of their day to press a button that does absolutely nothing?




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