> That's one interpretation of the irish refs. I think the more obvious one is that the first result was very close and needed to be clarified.
Ah yes… and if the result was close but happened to be the one the Establishment wanted, do you think they would have called for a confirmatory vote just to be sure? Of course not.
> That also fits with the second one being emphatic.
The Playbook says spend more on comms, emphasise Project Fear, and call for another vote. Repeat until you get what you want.
> You're allowed to think that Lisbon warranted referenda in the member states
How very gracious of you…
> The government didn't take a blind bit of notice.
I think you’ll find that Parliamentary votes were required for the action to take place, and there were three years of deadlock during which the majority of MPs supported remain (an inverse of the popular vote) and certain MPs like Benn and Grieve led to legislation that made it very difficult to negotiate in the UK interests (no deal off the table, so a weak bargaining position).
Article 50 may have been triggered the year after the referendum, but the UK didn’t actually leave until 2020.
> Not by a mile, lol.
LOL indeed. 33.5 million people cast a vote, which was 72% of all people registered to vote. That doesn’t sound “pathetic” to me, unlike your comment in general. It reeks of someone who loses interest in democracy when it doesn’t align with what they want.
I was completely wrong about the turnout and I'm not sure how. Point conceded.
But ysk your reasoning is circular. They wouldn't have held a second ref because they're bad, they're bad because they wouldn't have held a second ref.
The existence of Remain MPs is immaterial because the governing party purged all the seniors and whipped the rest.
Ah yes… and if the result was close but happened to be the one the Establishment wanted, do you think they would have called for a confirmatory vote just to be sure? Of course not.
> That also fits with the second one being emphatic.
The Playbook says spend more on comms, emphasise Project Fear, and call for another vote. Repeat until you get what you want.
> You're allowed to think that Lisbon warranted referenda in the member states
How very gracious of you…
> The government didn't take a blind bit of notice.
I think you’ll find that Parliamentary votes were required for the action to take place, and there were three years of deadlock during which the majority of MPs supported remain (an inverse of the popular vote) and certain MPs like Benn and Grieve led to legislation that made it very difficult to negotiate in the UK interests (no deal off the table, so a weak bargaining position).
Article 50 may have been triggered the year after the referendum, but the UK didn’t actually leave until 2020.
> Not by a mile, lol.
LOL indeed. 33.5 million people cast a vote, which was 72% of all people registered to vote. That doesn’t sound “pathetic” to me, unlike your comment in general. It reeks of someone who loses interest in democracy when it doesn’t align with what they want.