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He seems to suffer from interactions with corrupt police. They could certainly beat the shit out of him after arrest with very few consequences. That's true even in the US.

As an example of special circumstances: how's Bradley Manning's trial coming along?



That's a Logical fallacy. This has nothing to do with Bradley Manning.

As far as you and I know Mcafee quite possibly killed his neighbour. Why shouldn't the authorities in the country where the crime was committed get hold of him?

If the dead neighbour had been an American celebrity, this argument would sound very different.


> This has nothing to do with Bradley Manning.

Yes it has, in the context of the present argument. Grandparent is saying that because you supposedly are in a "democratic country with an independent judiciary" doesn't mean that you won't be tortured/get a fair trial/etc., and uses Bradley Manning as an example of this.


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If you were to assert that in democratic societies with functioning justice systems people are not let off for murder, then I think OJ would be a perfectly reasonable counter argument.


There's actually a lot of evidence that the vic was involved with and owed a lot of money to coke dealers who killed her in a manner consistent with prior M.O.s so while I did at one point believe OJ did it, there is some doubt in my mind and without having been at the trial and heard all the evidence I do not believe OJ actually would be a reasonable counter argument.

She had been telling the coke dealers, "Don't worry my man's rich he'll pay." When in fact he had told her many times that he wouldn't pay and many of his friends told him he better get very far away from her while he still can and before she gets herself and maybe him killed by the people she had been taking drugs from.


Eh, it's not really on topic... but I mean really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Did_It ?


If you are going to call something out as fallacious, you should name which fallacy it is. Otherwise your statement is just as good as saying 'you are wrong!'


Not to sidetrack things, but Manning was not a civilian, and thus does not enjoy the same freedoms under the law as a civilian. So comparing a civilian's (Mcafee's) fate with that of a non-civilian is apples and oranges.


Manning is still supposed to have the right to due process (a speedy trial rather than indefinite detention) and freedom from torture.



Military justice is not the same as civilian justice -one's rights are curtailed. Thst's not to say your assertion is incorrect, rather, it might give the impression one might have rights akin to that a civilian --that, I understand, would be incorrect.


The rights that are relevant to this discussion, primarily the right to not be tortured, is still in full effect for military personnel.


That's true, but all humans have the same human rights and he's a human, so the law is largely irrelevant in any discussion regarding ethics and democratic ideals.


Well, a few days ago he testified about the conditions of his incarceration in a pre-trial hearing: http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1202/Heari...




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