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The DoD changing its mind several times did not do the F-35 project any favors
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Yup, while I'm sure that part of it is that the big players got used to this modus operandi, part of it it just your client not knowing what they want. I work for a financial institution, I see this everyday. Our IT partners just have to wait for our ill-conceived and ill-defined tickets and changes of priorities, keep track of the tickets and the money keeps flowing by itself. I know the analogy isn't perfect, but still.

Hats off to Anduril for shaking up the space. Wonder if the Swedes will be able to match them.


The client not knowing what it wants, and then having multiple clients who all want different things. Making meaningfully different variants for different branches of the US military seems excessive.

Do we really need a VTOL version? I don’t know, maybe. Or maybe it looks cool and we can do without / spend that money elsewhere.


We don't need it, but it's too late now to drop it. Going back the the Joint Strike Fighter program circa 1993, the primary requirement for the V/STOL "B" model came from the USMC. They had an institutional fear stemming from experience in WWII that they couldn't depend on Navy fleet carriers for the close air support mission so they insisted on having that capability organic to amphibious ships (which lack catapults and arrested landing equipment). Originally that mission was performed by the AV-8B Harrier, but they (correctly) recognized that it wasn't survivable against modern air defenses. Hence the requirement for a 5th-generation replacement. The Marines had a lot of political influence in Congress at the time and were able to get their way. Requirements from international program partners including the UK and Italy who wanted to pretend that their crappy little mini-carriers could still be relevant also played a part.

Today the notion of conducting an opposed amphibious assault looks increasingly unrealistic. Even third-world terrorist groups now have drones and guided missiles that could massacre the connectors and transport rotorcraft. The F-35B can survive but there won't be any ground troops alive to support. So it's original reason to exist has largely vanished. And the sad thing is that the pointless V/STOL requirement forced a fat single-engine airframe on the entire program which badly compromised the "A" and "C" models in terms of reliability, range, speed, and payload. Oh well.


VTOL opens up a lot of fun basing options. I'm a little surprised Finland eschewed it.

The whole thing of nations trying to build the fastest, stealthiest, VTOL-est, most high-tech expensive fighter they can reminds me of the generals desperately trying to engineer cavalry charges in 1917 or the navy folks dreaming about bigger battleships in 1944. To see where this ends up, look at Ukraine, you've got a few of the remaining high-tech super-expensive fighters loitering a long way from the battlefield launching long-range standoff munitions and then leaving again, and that's it. Or look at Iran, lawnmower-engine-powered darts stalemating the country with the most expensive, high-tech fighters in the world, and the US is running out of munitions while Iran is a long way from running out of darts. A thousand darts beat one F-35 no matter how technically superior it is.

It did look friggin cool tho:)

But I always preferred the F22. That thing is beautiful and the metrics are insane. But for a while it seemed like there was no peer contender and they stopped the programme.


The F-22 cannot do half the things the F-35 can. Yeah it's fantastic as an air superiority fighter, but the multirole versatility makes the F-35 the one plane most air forces need to have.

Block 4's still an absolute shit-show in terms of management and progress...



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