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Lego robot that strips DRM off Kindle books (boingboing.net)
80 points by steven2012 on Sept 8, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments


In a MetaFilter thread, one of the commenters pointed out that the story being copied in the video is "Kiosk" by Bruce Sterling, a story about (among other things) the government trying to hold back a social revolution triggered by 3D printers:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080115084153/http://www.sfsite....


> but unlike those DRM-circumvention tools, this setup does not violate the law.

A pretty bold claim.


It SEEMS to exclusively exploit the analog hole, but I'm sure that if it went to the right judge this would fall apart.


Do you think you'd get away with photocopying and scanning a paper book?

It probably doesn't violate laws against circumventing DRM, but using it is still potentially copyright infringement.

What it does do that might be useful is legitimately strip DRM from files that aren't protected by copyright or for purposes which are allowed by copyright, where you might otherwise be in trouble for breaking DRM.


Do you think you'd get away with photocopying and scanning a paper book?

For personal use? Absolutely.


Sending a copy to a web server is possibly not covered under personal use, but that depends on the country I guess. But of course he could simply run the OCR locally on his computer instead.


Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean it's not illegal.

After all, do you think you'd get away with stripping DRM from your own e-books for personal use? Probably.


Same setup used to circumvent US encryption exportation laws. Tens of thousands of pages of code, printed and scanned from books.


tomorrow announcment: Amazon restricts number of "next page" presses per hour.

also: now words will be written with captcas



This might be also of interest to ebook lovers: https://register.blib.us (A Privacy friendly platform for accessing and searching your books from anywhere).


I have a dillema. You are, beyond any shadow of doubt, spamming the hell out of the service on HN.

On the other hand, the service does look pretty cool.


Thanks for your comments. I apologize and will stop posting links on topics I thought were relevant to Blib. We tried to submit Blib on "show hn", but that did not fly (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6272213). Its hard to advertise/show/market/demo when one is on a shoe-string budget, or a better way to put it is: We haven't learnt that art as coders.


Pretty sure this is still circumventing an anti-piracy measure, so falls fowl of DMCA.


The person in question is in Austria, so as far as he's concerned a DMCA claim isn't worth the paper it's written on.


That didn't stop the MPAA from marshalling itself and a legion similarly aligned interests into a quite magnificent beast to behold in Sweden when they finally got sick of The Pirate Bay. The DMCA might be an American piece of legislation, but copyright treaties pretty much guarantee that all of the western world is subject to U.S. Law.


Except for the fact that they worked the TPB case under Swedish Law. You could (possibly) argue that they sponsored US-style legislation in Sweden, but to claim that TPB went down for violating US Law is misleading.

It serves to erase the various subtle differences that exist in laws throughout the world. For instance, the UK has no such thing as Fair Use - we have a weaker concept of Fair Dealing. Under F.D. such things as making a copy of a CD onto a Computer as an MP3 is illegal (though there are plans to legalise that).

I've met several people who believed that such a thing was "Fair Use", precisely because of the "All Copyright Law is US Law" mentality.


Thanks for the details! Indeed I hadn't realized that the Pirate Bay trial convictions were based specifically on Swedish law. I figured that international treaties had been involved somehow. Though of course, you've hit the nail on the head: the laws are so similar, and with outcomes so similar, that all copyright law might as well be emulating U.S. policy, even if there are subtle differences in implementations.


International Treaties are... weird. Generally (very very generally), they are agreements between governments to take certain actions, possibly with penalties if such actions aren't taken.

The penalties would tend to be trade or economic sanctions from the other signatories.

The actions to be taken usually involve creating national legislation that implement this framework [See for example the UK's Human Rights Act implementing the European Convention of Human Rights]. Broadly, once national legislation has been created, then national courts can enforce it [Until the HRA was created in the UK, UK Courts couldn't hear EConvHR cases as they can only look at national law due to Parliamentary Sovereignty]. Think of it as being similar to how US Federal Courts have jurisdiction over Federal Crimes, and US State Courts have jurisdiction over State Crimes.

This means that an international treaty can be dead in the water despite being signed, should the national government not be able to get the implementing legislation passed - think of how ACTA was signed by the EU (and member states), but rejected by EU Parliament (and some member states parliaments).

This is why it was newsworthy when the US President tried to claim that having been signed by the US obliged the US to implement it via an executive order, bypassing the democratic congress (and thus, in a way, weakening the concept of national sovereignty).

But yes, copyright laws are broadly similar - mostly because the Berne Convention is widely accepted and implemented on a national level (along with organisations such as WIPO). An example of where the subtle changes come from is because the BC specifies that exceptions can be made for "fair" use, but doesn't explicitly define what "fair" use is. Another example is the "rule of the shorter term" - when a work is published abroad as well as at home, the author only gets the shorter of the two protections, but not all signatories have implemented this. Interestingly the US was relatively late in signing and implementing the BC.

Disclaimer: I am not a copyright lawyer. I am not a lawyer in any way. But I do have a keen interest in the law, and consider myself relatively well informed in such areas.


fowl --> foul


This must be why none of the new Kindles have page forward/backward buttons, despite their providing a decidedly superior experience to the awful touch UI.

Kidding (probably)




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