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Money is not the problem. Qatar isn't a poor country; it has the world's _highest_ gdp per capita [1].

[1] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...


Qatar is actually a pretty rich country. They treat their migrant workers as barely a notch above slaves and do all kinds of scummy things and bait/switch them. Anyway, lots of money going to Qatar is not necessarily going to do anything but further enrich the ruling class there, and I highly doubt it will do anything for the migrant workers.


A system designed to exploit desperate people is just that. Systems are put in place in many countries that prevent this exploitation because it is terrible. Because people are desperate enough to be exploited doesn't mean they deserve it.


>But if you take such a job, you know the dangers. So you can take the job or don't.

Watch the documentary I posted below, in most cases they are not aware of such dangers. They are promised high returns and better living conditions than their original home by various agents.

>Why don't we try to advance 3th world countries instead of raging over this?

Almost every human rights violation has its root in poverty. This doesn't mean we ignore the dangerous practices of middle-eastern government. The fact is that these countries have enough money to easily avoid such conditions but choose not to, hence the outrage.


Wow, such a flippant response...

Workers from Africa/Asia are lured to the middle east for the promise of a good wage and the possibility of helping loved ones back home. When they get there, they have their passport taken, are given jobs which aren't remotely like those they were offered and are essentially forced to work as slaves in appalling conditions with no hope of ever leaving.

Google "qatar slavery world cup" and do some reading. Just one of many examples of this happening in the modern world, Dubai is another.

So, really what you're asking is "why should I care about slavery?"


I deleted my post. not because I'm not standing to my opinion. But "why should I care about slavery?" is a complete misinterpretation about what I said.

My point was that I think this should be fixed where the modern slaves come from. And not where they are.

My point was that fixing the symptom doesn't fix the cause, apparently no one got that or I did a terrible job at explaining it. I still stand by it though.


Society is capable of addressing more than one social issue at once. The social issues in Qatar that make it possible for these crimes to take place should not be neglected because there is oppressive poverty in the countries that Qatar sources their slaves from. Both need to be addressed.

I would like to stress that slavery in Qatar is not a mere symptom of social issues in the Philippines. It is symptomatic of deep flaws in Qatarien. How can I assert that with confidence? Because many other countries that are not Qatar do not condone keeping Filipino workers as slaves. How many passport deprived, exit-visa restrained migrant workers died during the construction Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park in London? It sure as shit wasn't 900. It was none.


I did not read your original post, but I guess by "should be fixed where the modern slaves come from" you are talking about poor countries or poverty in general. If so:

Poverty is not the cause of slavery as a symptom, the symptoms of most poverty in the world today are bad working conditions, low pay, etc which workers do voluntarily, they mostly don't have another option than taking mean jobs, granted, but they can switch their employer, try to build a small business, etc. They can't do that if they are de facto slaves, living in a country where they have almost no rights and which they can't leave. My point is: bad jobs are a symptom of poverty, slavery is a symptom of very bad politics, despising human rights.


I see where you are coming from, but you are highly emotional in your discourse. If you were calmer and rational you could probably make your point without being "down voted to hell"

Talking about it and raising awareness make a lot of difference. In the end all the money from football comes from fans and marketing, with marketing representing a good part of it. Nobody will pay to have their image associated with this kind of things.

So the people who buy the products from the companies that incentive the governments to build the stadiums must know that they are killing people indirectly. We are not rational buyers, but the more explicit a matter becomes, the better we factor it into our buying process.

EDIT: Raising awareness on the fans also helps. You probably wouldn't go to a stadium to watch a game if there was a photo of someone who died building it glued to your seat or if their graveyard was courtside, it's all about making the end payer aware.


You're probably right. In the case of soccer/football worldcup though I really don't think it's gonna help. These seats will be filled anyways.


You have 3 assumptions here, all of which are very questionable.

1. The workers are informed of the risks and safety hazards.

2. The workers will starve if they don't work this job.

3. The workers had a free choice whether or not to work there.


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